so looking through the Victoria’s Secret and International Male catalogs, I noticed an odd new trend. As time has gone on, more and more men’s underwear lacks the little fly pouch on the front and more and more women’s underwear has it. Ok, so let’s admit it… how many guys have actually used that little slit for anything ever… none… ok, yeah i thought so… so really, it makes sense to get rid of it, I guess… but why in the bloody blue hell do women’s underwear need it? What is possibly going to be accomplished with it?
I guess this is just one of those things that make you go hmmm….
I (male, as the nickname says) use that fly slot when peeing. I have a pair of boxers that don’t have it and they’re annoying.
I use it as well. I don’t think it’s that uncommon to use it.
For boxers I find it’s essential. For briefs, I’ve never used it.
I was going to elaborate on underwear/bathroom habits, but I don’t want to get in a pissing contest.
dude… like I mean… ewww….
essential? really? i mean it just seems like so much extra work…
With boxers, it makes it unnecessary to unbutton your pants or undo your belt (which is a very good thing if you happen to be wearing baggy jeans that are a size or two too big).
As for the other kind, I remember when I was 3 or 4, and i asked my parents what the hole was for. I used it precisely once, to see if their explanation made sense, and was dissatisfied, and never tried it again. But I never wore baggy pants back when i wore that sor of underwear, so I don’t know if I would’ve found it useful.
ok… maybe I’m just weird… though granted, I really don’t wear boxers that often, so maybe that’s part of it… but even when i do, i don’t use the fly.
freaky… me, i find it a lot less trouble to just pull the front down…
as a chick, i could possibly invent uses for the extra window. after all, al bundy shouldn’t get all the fun…
Oh, right. A vibrator holding pouch.
Because women really get off on having their bellies jiggled…
Well, that’s all about pocket placement, isn’t it?
yeah… that’s just the thing though… its in the wrong spot…
hey… I like when my belly is rubbed, doesn’t everyone? I haven’t tried it, but a nice steady vibrating sensation sounds like it might be nice. Unfortunately, the pouch isn’t even well placed for that. It’s kinda over the pelvis, roughly where the penis would be able to rise out of. Anyway, I’m not a chick, but just doing the simple experiment of quickly repeated tapping that part of my pelvis feels rather uncomfortable and I’m guessing real vibrations woujld probably be a lot worse.
yeah, I thought about that, and mentioned it to me as well… but I still think that even in that case going around the underwear rather than through them would be a lot more convenient.
it’s not so much about convenience as it is about the idea of convenience. if you really want convenience, just wander around naked. it’s also about usurping a masculine symbol, and the more assertive attitudes about sexuality that go with it. it’s about getting to say pussy the same way people use the word dick.
Preach on sister!
Man, I need to look at the International Male catalog more often….
bah… I am an international male… you can see me in person…
We appropriated your “slit” (oh, the irony) because it’s cute, flirty, and tomboyish. Especially the cute part. We request that our lovers appreciate underwear cuteness when encountered.
Bonus points for irony.
yeah… I like wasn’t gonna touch that one…
how many guys have actually used that little slit for anything ever…
So now you won’t touch your own stuff?
I meant to excerpt this:
We appropriated your “slit” (oh, the irony)
sigh…
I’d be pleased to have someone…um…never mind.
ok, this reasoning I accept. I’m all for doing things for style. Are you arguing that the removal of the fly for men is feminizing them?
And dude… I like throw underwear parties, I think my appreciation is pretty evident…
Ah grasshopper. My statement about female undie-openings is only about female undie-openings. It says nothing about the presence or absense of male undie-openings. Time to go back and study GRE Logic Games.
And dude… I like throw underwear parties, I think my appreciation is pretty evident…
Your appreciation is clear. However, there needs to be increased male appreication of female underwear on a worldwide basis. I want some guy to say, “wow! cute!” when he uncovers my undies.
yeah, I guess I did word that awkwardly… what I meant was, I buy your argument… but would you are argue the other way as well?
Your appreciation is clear.
Ok, Ok then… that’s better…
However, there needs to be increased male appreication of female underwear on a worldwide basis.
Agreed, 100%… I also think there should bea better appreciation of male underwear. And I think that women don’t appreciate women’s underwear enough either. I mean that… I know in reality it doesn’t truly “matter” but yes, taking time to make sure the bra and panties match is an extra steph of caring that’s important. Or it should be. And there are many many good reasons to wear different types of panties or bras… sometimes you need control top. Sometimes you need a thong. Sometimes you need a strapless bra, sometimes a push-up. Like I’ve said before (ok, like Fernando has said, and I have repeated): “It is more important to look good than to feel good, because when you look good, you feel good, and you look marvelous.” And that applies to men to. There is a place in this world for boxers. And sadly, they are not the be all end all of under garments. In fact, honestly, boxers are usually wrong. Sorry… but they are… Sometimes you need briefs. Hell, men, you might not like it, but sometimes you need to wear a thong too, godammit! That’s how it is… Deal with it!
I want some guy to say, “wow! cute!” when he uncovers my undies.
Next time you show me your underwear I will be sure to say that… 😉 ok, honestly, I’m not totally with you here. I’d like to be, given my above diatribe, but really, I’m thinking a boy getting to that point has other things on his mind… sorry, luv…
but would you are argue the other way as well?
Can we just say that the slit-free male undie pic you linked to in the original post is hot hot hot and leave the discussion there? I’m not thinking in terms of masculinizing and feminizing or any heteroflexibility issues. I want men to find my undies cute, and I want to see the package attractively…well, packaged! If the absence of the frontal slit accomplishes that goal, then I am happy.
I also think there should bea better appreciation of male underwear.
I do. But it has to be appreciable. I ain’t appreciating no 5-pack of BVDs from Kmart.
And I think that women don’t appreciate women’s underwear enough either. I mean that…
The first step is getting women to buy bras that fit. Not everyone is a 34B. It is very annoying to see women who are clearly D’s with their boobs popping out or worse, the dreaded quadriboov effect because they refuse to buy bras in their size. And then I go to the store and can’t find a bra in my size because these women have bought them all. Get a bra fitting.
And if people would be so kind as to make cute, supportive padded bras with panties that match but are not granny panties, then I would be happy to match. Otherwise, I will not match. I have a very cute Olga bra, but the matching panties are giant and I refuse to buy them. And I have to buy padded bras because I teach middle school, and those boys can’t concentrate otherwise.
Next time you show me your underwear I will be sure to say that… 😉 ok, honestly, I’m not totally with you here. I’d like to be, given my above diatribe, but really, I’m thinking a boy getting to that point has other things on his mind… sorry, luv…
It’s a wonderful ice-breaker. Take that extra time to show you noticed. 😉
If the absence of the frontal slit accomplishes that goal, then I am happy.
Yeah… I don’t know if its that or something else. I guess the slit is kind of a stylized way of saying “this is underwear.” While not truly necessary, it’s just part of the norm so it makes it look like it supposed to look. Sort of like shoestrings. Technology has progressed far beyond the need for shoestrings, but we have them as kinda an indicator that, hey, these are shoes. Or a better example, the smell of gas in the stove, or the stingy-bit in peroxide.
I do. But it has to be appreciable. I ain’t appreciating no 5-pack of BVDs from Kmart.
agreed… again, true of both men and women…
And if people would be so kind as to make cute, supportive padded bras with panties that match but are not granny panties, then I would be happy to match.
Yeah, you can match, but you generally have to spend more money. I certainly understand the cost savings expense of not doing so all the time, much like I understand the cost saving expense of the 5 pack of BVD. If you’re going jogging, or grocery shopping or painting the house, then wear whatever is comfortable but if you are intending to dress nice (whether you expect anyone to ultimately see the underwear or not) then take the extra effort to wear the nicest from IM or Vickie’s. It’s subtle, but it makes a huge difference. The difference in appearance of a woman who is wearing a thong under a skirt and a woman who is wearing granny panties is subtle, but striking. Same thing with a guy wearing boxers under slacks vs. a guy wearing nice supportive bikini briefs.
And I have to buy padded bras because I teach middle school, and those boys can’t concentrate otherwise.
An interesting take. I will have to think on that for a while. I believe you may be onto something there. Although its counter-intuitive to the way most women think because of a desire to be feminists on an equal footing with men, yadda yadda yadda, it is known that being at least slightly more sexually appealing (without going overboard) does garner you greater respect in business settings. Same goes for men. People WANT to listen to someone who is good looking.
It’s a wonderful ice-breaker. Take that extra time to show you noticed. 😉
Ok, actually I do… and will frequently comment on the sexiness of a woman goodly enough to let me see her in her underwear. However I don’t know that its an icebreaker. Not to critique anyone else’s technique, but generally (though granted, not always) by the time I am there, I am well past the breaking of the ice.
the nicest from IM or Vickie’s
This goes back to my point about boys not being able to concentrate…which I think you misunderstood. So much of the Vicky’s Knickers stuff is thin, and you can see the nips protruding through them. Hence the inability of 7th grade boys to concentrate. It is a kindness to conceal the nips and make sure I have no pantylines. They have no chance of scholastic success otherwise. I make a great effort on school days to be as sexually unappealing as I can. There’s nothing like the sale rack at TJ Marshall’s for good sturdy bras.
and will frequently comment on the sexiness of a woman goodly enough to let me see her in her underwear. However I don’t know that its an icebreaker.
I find the first underwear encounter can be awkward…damn sensitive guys aren’t always sure if this is okay or if they’re going to get slapped in a minute. Let’s call it a fun way to pause and make sure everything’s kosher.
ah… ok, I see where you’re going with the padded bra theory now… but yeah, I wasn’t originally so much talking about dressing up for school as I was dressing up for dressing up…
if this is okay or if they’re going to get slapped in a minute.
Now see, some of us would consider this a good thing… errr… never mind…
taking time to make sure the bra and panties match is an extra steph of caring that’s important. Or it should be.
hmm, i was originally going to ask if i should infer from this Freudian slip that is not as concerned about her underwear matching as you are, but now that i reread it i’m thinking it makes it sound like she would be more concerned rather than less.
when i bother to wear underwear, i usually like it to match, but i’m somewhat obsessive.
i always appreciate women in their underwear, even if it’s not matching.
no, she doesn’t particularly care about matching…
Really, a world in which everyone abided by my rules would be a very different one indeed. If all women wore matching underwear, there would be no war…
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