(yes, I am absolutely serious about this)
Ok, so here’s the deal. For those who haven’t been following in papertygre‘s journal, let me synopsize the relevant background. I have this very cute, very sweet, very smart friend name Ratha (well more-or-less smart except for the small fact that she eats bugs). Through a series of interesting and not-so-interesting misadventures she came to recently be dating a guy named Kenn (that’s kenoubi).
Many of Ratha’s friends expressed some amount of displeasure at this due to a great number of reasons. Some calling into questions Kenn’s personality, some his moral fiber, some his intentions, some his psyche and some the fact that… well, he’s funny looking. Now most of these eventually boil down to opinion. Either someone is going to think Kenn is cool or they’re going to think he’s lame or they’re going to think he’s nice or they’re going to think he’s annoying or they’re going to think he’s an asshole. But Kenn’s personality (good or bad) really doesn’t matter all that much to me, because, well… frankly, I don’t have to date him. That’s Ratha’s business. What does matter to an extent is whether or not he’s funny looking.
Well frankly, he is funny looking. And being that myself and others are Ratha’s friends, and being that he intends to hang around us because she does, that basically means we are going to be forced to look at him. Well believe it or not, Kenn acknowledges this issue. He realizes that in a social setting one must make a certain amount of bare minimum effort to make one’s self presentable. Here’s where I come in.
I intend to fix Kenn.
This is Kenn today:
With your help I intend to rebuild him from the ground up…. making him presentable at the very least, and possibly, dare I say it, even hot. Kenn has agreed to let me update his look. To this end, I have decided that I will personally devoted $20 of my own hard earned money as well as my entire day on Saturday, April 10th (one month from today) to this makeover. This is where the rest of you come in. Give me money. I’m absolutely serious. Maybe you’re a friend of Ratha’s. Maybe you’re a friend a Kenn’s. Maybe both. Maybe you don’t even know either of them, but want to see what I can do in one day of makeover magic. Well here’s your chance. Results will of course be posted to LiveJournal.
Feel free to give me money in person, I’m setting aside a fund, or use this handy dandy Amazon paybox:
What, no photoshop mockup?
you know, I might have done one eventually, but yours is just so perfect…
wait, eats bugs?
for breakfast.
My favorite are syntax errors.
*smacks forehead*
*own forehead, that is*
Oh…
My first reaction was, “Cool, I’m not alone.”
Then, “Wow, for breakfast every day? That’s a lot.”
And finally, “Oh, like programming errors.”
I am alone.
Re: Oh…
My sympathies.
FWIW I think he *did* mean the squirmy kind.
Re: Oh…
he did in fact mean the squirmy kind… really, he could also mean the slow moving big crunchy suckers… they aren’t so squirmy. You’re the one who has to eat them so its more up to you than me.
yep… its an ongoing joke of mine. In reference to the various weird diets she has tried over the years
I am but a poor grad student, and cannot spare any money for this endeavor. But I am also a gifted hair stylist…
possibly… need to make some decisions and check some prices and such… I really don’t know so much about the pricing of professionally doing white people hair. I did come up with some ideas today that we can discuss though…
If I like the results, can I sign up to be the next Mavrosexualized candidate?
heh… well girl shopping is a lot more fun than boy shopping, but its also more expensive. I’m not sure how often people are going to be willing to donate helper funds though. But if you want to go shopping next time you’re in town and have me tag along and pick stuff out for you, I can do that. And I’m good at it too… ask, , or
OO. I need this. Can I drag you shopping with me, Mav?
I was saying, the last time I went shopping, that if I were rich, I’d hire someone to shop for me. I hates it so. I try to get friends to go with me, to help me find good stuff. But, it usually falls through. However, this won’t be for a while, as my budget must improve first.
I could live with that, so long as I still have a job at that time. I don’t buy clothes anymore, and I only buy shoes under the advice of expert Bulgarian guidance. So yeah. I have a clothing fund.
This is so crazy, it just might work.
not crazy… its genius! true genius and madness are always confused. That’s why the world mistrusts great men like myself, einstein and frankenstein.
Neat! But how comfortable is he with you drastically changing his appearance, and how drastically?
I mean is he going to let you cut his hair and/or shave his beard? A lot of people that have long hair are rather attached to it.
Personally, I think shaving and cutting might be a necessary first step, not necessarily for an end result, but just to see what his face actually looks like to give an estimation of what might work.
Well, there are pictures of me without a beard and with short hair. Yeah, they’re pretty old.
You make a good point. I guess my attitude towards the beard is that I’ve been sort of curious what I would look like without it, and Ratha has expressed the same curiousity; but on the other hand, I haven’t actually tried shaving it, partly out of laziness, partly out of the fact that I literally don’t think a lot of people would recognize me, and partly because it would have felt like giving in to social pressure. So I guess that it would be a little uncomfortable in this situation because it would seem to be an instance of this last reason; but on the other hand, I do want to give Mav a fair shot here, so I’m thinking it might be possible to persuade me (although with the understanding that I find it more likely than not that I want the beard to be part of my look long-term; but hey, it’s not impossible that I’d change my mind if I looked at myself in the mirror).
The hair is a good point, though. I’m definitely attached to it, particularly as it’s taken about 3 years to grow (though it isn’t really getting any longer at this point). I’d be fine with a slight trim, but anything drastic would probably make me unhappy.
Yeah. I was thinking along those lines. Those are the sorts of hesitations I’d have if I was in your position. I’ve always been afraid to change style, more because of worry of not being seen as “being myself” than the change itself. However, I think it’s a pretty brave thing to go ahead and give yourself over to the make-over and see what happens.
I guess my point is I’ve always wished I had been brave enough to go ahead and make changes. You have to make sure you’re doing what you want. But, that includes not limiting yourself by worrying that it’ll seem like you’re not doing what you want. You know what you want. So, you’ll know if you’re being true. What it seems like doesn’t matter.
see above comments about my intents with this. It might not be obvious from what appears in the journal, but the first thing I did when I thought about this was ask Kenn what it was he wants to accomplish with his “look.” I have been keeping that in mind.
Another thing to be said is that “clothes make the man.” A lot of people don’t like to believe that. They want to believe that “what’s inside is what matters.” well, yes, that’s sort of true, but its also bullshit. Kenn has made complaints about being shy and such, well duh… he’s created an appearance that is likely to have him ostracized. I’m not saying I can undo all that shyness with a haircut and a new outfit. He’s not going to wake up on April 11th and be Maverick 2.0, but that was never the point. The point is make him into Kenn 1.0. I understand wanting to be yourself. But i understand being stuck in a rut too… You’ll be amazed at the confidence, and stress relief that can come with a stronger look. Well, maybe not you, katie, cuz you’re already gorgeous, but those of us who need to work at it, end up feeling a lot better once we do.
(see what I did there, kids? that’s called being suave)
well… the entire point is to make you individualistic and cool but still you. A lot of people seem to think that I’m going to go deck you out in IM gear. Hardly… nothing could be further from the truth. You’re not me, so you can’t wear my clothes, and you can’t work my hair. I do have some ideas though. And I have a month to come up with more.
But yeah, the hair and beard will need to be cut… but don’t worry, I don’t think the bald look is right for you, so we won’t be going there either. And I know your concerns about easy maintenance. Keeping that in mind as well. And keep in mind, if even I’m wrong, (and I won’t be) hair does grow back. (now if I decide that stylistically you need to chop off one arm, then MAYBE you can be a little concerned… we’ll see)
Good point. This is actually pretty reassuring.
You should talk with me about the hair—or, probably even better, with Ratha. There is a logic behind the length of my hair, even beyond the obvious.
There is no point in doing anything, especially something like this, half-assed, and I realize that. I just want to make sure you’re taking all relevant factors into account.
I think that would be the point at which I’d say “screw this, free clothes aren’t worth this much” and head home; no offense. 🙂
I think that would be the point at which I’d say “screw this, free clothes aren’t worth this much” and head home; no offense. 🙂
bah!!! don’t get me wrong… It’s not like I’d have you walking around all lopside. I’d replace it with a nice fashionable hook or something…
the hair […] will need to be cut.
EEP 🙁
heh…
again… he won’t be bald, but honestly, right now, his hair is a mess… long sure… but not good long, its kind of ratty long…It will be much better once its cleaned up… It will also be much healthier and probably feel much nicer to the touch… think of the postives… and as pointed out elsewhere, at least I (probably) won’t cut off his arm…
FYI, the “logical reason”: http://www.livejournal.com/poll/?id=208788&qid=3&mode=ans (‘s comment)
It doesn’t bother me if you trim up the ends… and if he doesn’t mind a more drastic cut, that’s up to him… but, but… I think it’s nice.
ah…
well, I don’t know that that reason is as steadfast as you guys think. I will agree that to an extent its a bit more carefree and less businessy… but I don’t think it necessarilly looks relaxed… especially not on Kenn currently. His hair is frizzed and unkempt enough that he comes across as looking sad and tortured at best and psychotic or tense at worse. Basically anything but relaxed. He just doesn’t “look” comfortable or natural, even if that’s how he feels. It creates an aura of unnerving. Even if his hair was in better shape, i don’t know that it really “works” for him the way it does for say Ren or Max. It just doesn’t say “natural” it says “lazy” or “hermit.”
What I’m looking for here is to actually maintain his personality… show the world “I am Kenn and I am weird” or “unique” or whatever you want to call it, but do so in a way that makes people say “wow, he’s weird and that’s cool” instead of making people say “wow he’s weird and that’s scary.” If he looked relaxed it wouldn’t be an issue… people like relaxed.
Also, it will really help things like his job hunt. His current appearance is going to be an incredible detriment to that.
But yes, I get that you like the long hair… he will certainly have something that qualifies as “long hair.” That would be part of his Kenn-ness. But part of the whole makeover thing is making him better. His hair (and beard) right now, is pretty unkempt. Once its shortened of split ends, thinned of tangles and restyled, its going to look like cool long hair (even though it will be shorter) instead of just a bunch of stuff randomly growing out of the top of his head.
But yeah, there’s going to have to be change. Its just not going to work otherwise. He won’t look like Bill’s picture. But he’s not going to look like Crystal Gale either. He’s going to look like Kenn… only better… (for much the same reason, he’s going to need to keep some beard, even though a lot of people would probably rather that I had him dump it altogether… but that wouldn’t make him come across as Kenn…)
This is gonna be great… really… its supposed to be a little scary.
Mav, if you’ve convinced Ratha, you’ve convinced me.
For the record, the beard seemed unkempt even to me, so I trimmed it a couple of weeks ago. It’s still probably more than most people who have a beard, but pretty substantially less, as you can see, e.g., here. (Yeah, the picture is cutesy. Deal with it.)
I also think you should take up on her offer above, ’cause she’s not going to donate any money either way, and no matter how cheap of a stylist you can find, it won’t beat free.
I guess the one thing that still makes me a tiny bit nervous is that, although you say you want me to still look like me, I’m not sure on what you’re basing your impression of what “me” is. So far as I can tell, it’s a couple of pretty brief and shallow in-person encounters (in which your main evidence would have been how I already looked), an AIM conversation, and whatever discussion you’ve had with Ratha or other people. Maybe we should talk more.
I also think you should take up beststephi on her offer above, ’cause she’s not going to donate any money either way, and no matter how cheap of a stylist you can find, it won’t beat free.
Actually Steph and I have discussed that… it might be happening it might not… depends on a number of factors, like the exact make up your hair, the styling we ultimately pick, how bad your ends are split, how much tangling there is, how much money we get in the makeover drive… speaking of which… you (and Ratha and whoever) really need to pimp this out… get the cash flowing…. I’m hyping the project up as much as I can, but the ultimate goal is to get your friends to buy you as much stuff as you can… so like go sell it! I gotta believe that on amusement value alone there’d have to be a dozen KGB people willing to chip in $10 each. Its just like Queer Eye.
As for matching your look to your… uh… you… really, trust me, I’m extremely good at this sort of thing, otherwise I wouldn’t have offered in the first place. You have to have the right attitude here. You’re still considering the physical appearance to be shallow. Its not. It certainly isn’t the be all end all of a person, but neither is the mind or the emotions or the soul or anything else. Isn’t the entire point that you are a sum of your parts? That there’s more to you than just the guy with the scary beard? There’s more to you than just the guy with the obsession with numbers. Or the guy who works at the DMV or the guy who is obsessed with Ratha or whatever… So really, the first impression that one gets while looking at you is just as important as the one that one gets from reading your novel or from talking to you on AIM or in person or anything else. Not to say it trumps it because it doesn’t. I can make you look like Johnny Depp, and if you’re an asshole, you’re still going to be an asshole… Just like you can be a great guy and still look like a wookie. But I’m not going to make you into Johnny Depp. What my main concern here is is fixing the appearance… not so much changing it. You’d be amazed at what I can gather about a person by the way they tend to dress themselves. Don’t think that on April 11th you’re going to look like a movie star. Because frankly you aren’t. You’re going to look like a geek. But you’re going to look like a geek with better hair and clothes and hopefully (though you probably don’t believe this right now) about a 10 times more confidence in yourself than you had on April 9th.
That said, yes, I’ve met you a couple times, talked to you on AIM, I have Ratha’s opinions of you, I’ve read your LJ comments, and I’ve read a large large portion of your journal. And really, its a month from now, so if you want to try and influence my opinion in other ways along the way by commenting in this journal, or on AIM or in person or whatever, feel free to try… but honestly a lot of what’s going to happen here is going to be based on stuff that I have already gathered. Your base personality, but also your build, skin tone, hair texture, the general way you carry yourself. The way you seem to be comfortable dressing right now.
The basic way this works is we take you… we look at you in your current clothes and hair that you find comfortable. We find something appealing about you, and we build on that. We strip out all the bad crap and we replace it with good crap that is flattering. Then I say some magic words, and presto you’re hot… really the whole process is kind of amazing.
What you’ve said here is for the most part right on the mark. If you don’t plan to substantially set him back on 3 years of growth I think that answers the major worry had by him and by me.
But there *is* one more question … you have talked quite extensively about this ideal/goal of making him more Kenn… the question is, do you actually know Kenn? Do you have an idea of what he is like (from either his current appearance or having spent time with him) in order to express that through a new look? Question being, would that be a good idea, to arrange some hanging-around time after he gets here (March 26, btw) to do some field work, as it were?
I’m genuinely excited to see this … it seems like it will be really fun for both you and Kenn, really entertaining for other people, and could be a bold new career move for you besides! :p
I swear to Jay-Z you people worry too much…
What you’ve said here is for the most part right on the mark. If you don’t plan to substantially set him back on 3 years of growth I think that answers the major worry had by him and by me.
He’s not going to look like or … But he’s not going to look like either. Things to keep in mind:
1) 3 years of hair growth is in the past. Its a sunk cost.
2) the hair has problems right now. Its frizzy and tangled and split and kinda a mess. If he had spent 3 years fixing up a broken down ’73 Pinto, and then someone said “hey, why don’t we trade that in for this perfectly good ’99 Camero, would we be having the same discussion?
3) even if he hates the new look, once his hair is cut, and thinned and cleaned up, assuming he takes care of it, it will grow back longer and faster and be a lot nicer and healthier looking once it does.
As for the look matching his persona thing… I commented on that extensively in response to him above. And like I said… pimp him out dammit… if we can pass the $10,000 mark, he could be extremely hot…
Well, at least we both do it, so neither of us feels left out of the worrying. 🙂
I should certainly think not. 🙂
Her hair is amazing, but I’m definitely not capable of it.
The 3 years are a sunk cost (though it doesn’t seem like they cost much; it seems like all I had to do is abstain from hair cuts, not a particularly hard behavior to keep up). The result—my current hair—is an asset. (You can quibble over the value of that asset, but that’s a distinct issue.)
My and Ratha’s reason for mentioning the length of time involved is more to stress that if, after a haircut, I decide that my hair is too short—as seems pretty likely to both of us, if the cut is drastic—it will take a long time to grow back.
Almost certainly yes; people are not rational about sunk costs. 🙂
Perhaps even more important, even though I can recognize some truth in what you said, re-read it and realize that it was kind of offensive, and it’s hard for me to totally ignore that.
Depending on exactly what you mean by “takes care of it”, you should consider the possibility that this is not a valid assumption.
Well, I’m thinking we will bring it up at a KGB meeting, but that we should do that after I move.
I guess what makes me most uncomfortable about this is that you didn’t explicitly get my permission to do X, Y and Z before making the initial post, you just assumed. Maybe you thought it was implicit, and I can sort of see why you would think that, but it seems to me more like you just didn’t consider it, and that bothers me. I’m not backing out; I still think overall this is a good thing. I just want you to understand my concerns.
Okay, I think now all of my worries are out in the open.
if, after a haircut, I decide that my hair is too short—as seems pretty likely to both of us, if the cut is drastic—it will take a long time to grow back.
Ah… Yeah, i get that you’re worried about it… its a faulty concern because:
A) I really do think you’ll like the end results (whatever they may be… honestly, I haven’t really made up my mind yet…. and likely won’t until I can see you in person, its harder to do with pictures). Yes, I realize I speak harshly and in terms of extremes but that’s just me. Its part of my character. I wouldn’t pick anything that would look bad or stupid. You’re just going to have to trust me on that. Granted, I understand that you don’t really know, me, but really… ask Ratha… I’m not nearly as much of an asshole as I make myself out to be. If I didn’t think you’d like the end result, I honestly wouldn’t have offered in the first place. It wouldn’t be worth the time.
B) Your assumptions are faulty. You seem to be thinking “it took me 3 years to get this, it will take 3 years again.” That’s wrong. Your hair is a little past your shoulders right now, right? I looked at the pictures you have on your site, and I am assuming that your hair was at about that length before the 3 years. Well, like I said, I don’t know for sure what we’re going to do yet, but you can be pretty certain that we won’t go that short. I honestly don’t think it was right for you. But lets we you did go that short. I know it doesn’t seem like it, but human hair actually grows at about 6 inches a year. As a white guy your hair is going to tend to be pretty straight and strong. The problem is the longer it gets, the more brittle it becomes, especially if you don’t shampoo and condition and trim and generally take care of it… so, again as a white guy, once it hits shoulder length the breakage becomes severe enough that the speed of growth seems extremely hampered. So if we cut it all the way down to where it was in your old pictures but also thinned it out so it wouldn’t break as much, and we hook you up with a nice revitalizing shampoo and conditioner, It would be at shoulder length (or near it) by the end of the year. Plus it will be a lot softer, smoother and EASIER to deal with actually (and by deal with, I mean things as simple as washing and combing it). And again, I don’t think I’d ever recommend you going that short anyway. You’ll look like you’re 12. Now granted, as pointed out (way) below, you can’t decide the next day to glue it back on. So that’s the commitment to change, and that’s the scary part. But really isn’t the leap of faith part of what this is about? (and again… its not so bad as all that because we’re going to find something that makes you look AND feel good).
Almost certainly yes; people are not rational about sunk costs. 🙂
Exactly… that was my point. But it seems to me that you tend to pride yourself on thinking through these things logically, which is why i brought it up.
Perhaps even more important, even though I can recognize some truth in what you said, re-read it and realize that it was kind of offensive, and it’s hard for me to totally ignore that.
Yeah, I know… that’s me being an ass, as I am wont to do. I did it to make the point though. And as you said… you got it. When I’m less extreme there is more chance for confusion. Anyway, if I really wanted to be insulting I would have said something like trading shit for gold… but insult wasn’t really my prime point. It was just to get you thinking about the economics of the situation. Anyway, if it was overly offensive, sorry.
(to be continued…)
Depending on exactly what you mean by “takes care of it”, you should consider the possibility that this is not a valid assumption.
Yes, I realize that too…. actually, that’s a big part of the hair and beard decision. Clothing is easy. I can take you out, I can tell you “look, you look good in these colors, these styles, and these fabrics, you look bad in these colors and these styles and these fabrics, in the future, when you go shopping, try to stay in stuff kinda like the first group” And assuming you decide to listen to me, you’ll likely be fine for life. The goal here isn’t to make you ultra-GQ modern. So it doesn’t really matter if you go shopping once a month or once a year or once every two years or what. If we decide you look good in blue, you could just be looking good but dated in the same blue shirt today as in ten years (possibly worn out, but whatever). But with hair it requires maintenance, or its going to clump up, split, tangle and generally look bad. I mean, if you really really didn’t care about your appearance, you could shave your head or have a buzz cut, and the maintenance is extremely low (don’t do that, you’d look really stupid with a shaved head) but obviously you don’t want that. Obviously you do care about your appearance, which is why you’re so concerned in the first place. So its not as simple as saying “he’d look great with this haircut, but its going to take him 20 min. of maintenance every day” because you’re never going to do that. The trick is finding something that you’ll look good in that basically involves showering, maybe a smidgen of product and a trim every 6 weeks or so. Actually if your hair was shorter this would be a whole lot easier, which is why the short look is so in right now. Its easier to have incredible looking short hair. But I hear and understand your concerns, so its not going to be short. But if we don’t find something that can make your hair look good with little maintenance, in time or money, (which was a big part of my goal, as you will recall from the AIM conversation I had with you when I first proposed this), then there’s hardly any point at all.
(to be continued again…)
I guess what makes me most uncomfortable about this is that you didn’t explicitly get my permission to do X, Y and Z before making the initial post, you just assumed. Maybe you thought it was implicit, and I can sort of see why you would think that, but it seems to me more like you just didn’t consider it, and that bothers me. I’m not backing out; I still think overall this is a good thing. I just want you to understand my concerns.
I did consider your feelings and continue to. And really, I don’t think I’ve actually said anything specific that you are GOING to do at all yet, other than “we are going to get him some new clothes, we are going to cut his hair and we are going to cut his beard.” That’s what a makeover is. I didn’t say “he’s going to have a goatee, and a mohawk and a pink tutu.” You’re just kinda preparing yourself for the worse, which is understandable, and human. But really, don’t worry about it so much. As I said before, its a month off, feel free to influence my opinions as you would over the course of that time. And then when the time comes we will make decisions… yes, I said we… don’t think you don’t have input here… The reason I am extreme in these early stages is to get you to start thinking outside the box and get you used to the idea of change. If I convince you for 4 weeks, that we’re going to shave you bald, and then you end up with a crew cut you’re going to be thinking “wow, my hair is still so long!” But if I say “your hair is going to be down to your mid back, and then we go and cut it down to your shoulders, you’re going to think that you must have been drafted. There’s no point right now in worrying about exactly how many inches of hair you’re going to lose or how long its going to take to undo… it hasn’t even happened yet. Think of this as a software development project. We’re in a brainstorming phase here. Think outside the box, yo! You like dwelling on things, ask yourself (I mean seriously ask yourself) “how can I make the bald look work for me.” Then ask yourself “could I ever look good as a crossdresser?” Then try “what are the ramifications of wearing polyester.” It really is an interesting exercise.
Okay, I think now all of my worries are out in the open.
Sure, of course… And I hope I am addressing them. Like I said… feel free to ask as many questions as you want… If I come across as irritated, I don’t intend to… after all, it is your body that has to look that way. But both you and Ratha had expressed concerns about your appearance (as percieved by others) and your… uh… I guess social confidence would be as good a term as any… believe me, this is all just part of the process on both of those… Remember, we haven’t actually changed anything yet.
Jeez, Mav, don’t you have a job? 🙂
Thanks for putting forth so much effort. I’m not going to reply to these three posts point-by-point because there’s not much to disagree with, and because it seems useless to do much more analysis with so little actual data.
We should make plans to see each other some time after I move (I get in March 26 in the evening) and before the makeover, though.
that’s all part of the process. I don’t take these things lightly. The trick is to update him while retaining the “himness.”
Sure, give me $1000 and I can turn him into Johnny Depp, but he isn’t Johnny Depp. Even if he looked like him he’d still ACT like Ken. And the look has to reflect that. That said, looking like he does now, (a wookie, is the term I have heard bandied about) isn’t going to take him anywhere. Its not stylish in any sense. It doesn’t tell you anything about him other than “here’s a guy who has totally let himself go and doesn’t give a damn.” This is actually an okay message to send with your appearance, but Kenn’s look doesn’t say it in a cool Kurt Cobain on MTV Unplugged just before the OD kinda way…. It says it in a sad Tom Hanks in Castaway kinda way.
I have some ideas…. I’ve been thinking about it since yesterday. But yes, there are going to have to be some changes. They will probably be shocking at first, but trust me… it’ll be in a good way. Otherwise I simply wouldn’t bother. We’re talking about both my time and my reputation here.
Do you have an adress we can send money to? You can drop me an aim with it if you do not want to put it online.
send me an email and I’ll send you an address (I didn’t see an email address in your profile)… or just use the amazon pay box… either way. (if you use Amazon, they’ll deduct a bit of the cash, so if you pay me direct, more of your money goes to buying stuff for Kenn — but it doesn’t matter… whichever is easier)
gte156n@prism.gatech.edu
Never let it be said that you are not a charitable man.
I got nothin’ but love for ya, Mavie.
yes yes yes… I try… its my way of giving back to the community… you know… helping the kids…
I want a makeover too!
I keep making lame little stabs involving hair color, or wearing cords a lot, but I really want something a lot more fresh and invigorating (and requiring little to NO makeup, hair spray, or prep time).
I’ll pitch in some for the original effort, but what kind of pitch do I need to make to get on the project list? Maybe you can just build up a portfolio with friends and their significant others and this can be your next career move!
I’ve gone shopping with you before. Of course we can go again.
Geeze, if I knew everyone wanted me to help them with this, I would have opened a business ages ago… How much would people pay for my services? Maybe I give Kenn away for free as my advertising pitch and the rest of you can bid on my time.
here, this will get you started.
It, uh, wasn’t as easy as I expected.
Bwahahahaha!
I think you gave him a bit too much chin 😀
well, it may take a while to grow the chin out from underneath the beard, but I think it could be done.
I’m actually very impressed with what you were able to do with the hair. Not the direction I’ve been planning on going. But its interesting.
If I were not a starving grad student I would have to donate to this cause just on principle.
I am deeply amused by the very existance of this endevour.
bah! you cheap grad students! every little bit helps you know! Think of it as charity work. Think of him as the poor child in okinawa with a bad haircut that you can help for the price of a cup of coffee every day!
aaww but geeks are so cute in their own way as it is..
and this whole making people over thign that’s going on on television is quite disturbing
but hell, who knows- i’m sure it’l be fun and what not. =P
well, you’re not going to get a lot of argument from my people… a lot of them being self-professed geeks on their own. The issue here wasn’t so much whether its ok to be a geek but whether its ok to look the way Kenn looks. Which is kind of above and beyond. Whether its wrong or right, people have commented that his appearance disturbs them or makes them uncomfortable, and given his appearance and the extent to which it has been tailored against the norm, that’s not surprising. When I say make him over, I really mean to update him, and make him as attractive as possible in his own right… I don’t intend to make him into something he’s not. Admittedly, its a fine line to walk.
But yeah, it should be fun to see how it works out. And its gonna be great, really… I stake my reputation on it.
oh MAN I would almost come to Pgh for this
… if I could help. The hair the hair the hair. That needs some salon treatment. Is it all one length? I’m thinking, take a few inches off… like somewhere between the chin and shoulders… and maybe it needs to be pieced out a little… and conditioner. Deep conditioner. Beard must go. I wish I had money to donate to the cause, but you can sign me up on the list of poor grad students. I would offer my advice but a) it seems I have already done so and b) this is your project; you pr’y don’t want it.
Re: oh MAN I would almost come to Pgh for this
sure… come visit and help…. you don’t visit enough anyway. Actually when discussing this project with people, I have been using you as an example… i remember when you fixed Max’s hair several years ago.
I’ll probably post asking for ideas and such in the next week or two or something… but feel free to toss suggestions at me now or whenever…
Hair Length
I have to agree with SG. I was recently goaded^W^W^recently took 5-6
inches off my hair, bringing it to just shy of shoulder length. I was a
bit skeptical of this change, to say the least. I knew it was time for a
change, but I was worried about it since I couldn’t very well glue the
hair back on if I hated it.
Once I got over the initial shock (an hour) I’ve never looked back. Best
decision I’ve ever made. Well, second best. First would have been
letting Mav do it for me.
Hmm, actually, I need my first trim….
wow… that look… before you do the makeover, shoot a 70’s style lo-budget sci-fi flick, OK? my god… perfect.
If it were 1974- drop acid, watch “Fantastic Planet”, get laid.