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on sex as performance art and science!!!


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Those who follow my daily musings over in 365mav may remember that a few weeks ago, retrospection_ and I had our Hollywood debut a couple weeks ago on the set of the movie Adventureland that was filming at a local amusement park here. For you non A-listers out there who have never starred in a major Hollywood film release, I have to tell you that a shooting day on a movie set is VERY long. It’s especially long when your entire part pretty much consists of walking back and forth holding hands and eating stale popcorn while less gifted actors who have to rely on “spoken lines” to get the pathos of their scenes across perform take after take even though you nailed your own mark each and everytime. We are true professionals like that.

Anyway, seeing as how we had plenty of time on our hands, Sarah and I had the opportunity to discuss a great many things that we have in common. After we had talked about football, movies, music and planned our next photo project, the topic of conversation of course turned to sex (because I’m so damn hot, you see). Sarah told me about a conversation she had with friends of hers about the way people behave when they’re having sex. Namely, she theorized that while having sex you are in essence always “performing” for the other person.

Her theory is based around the premise that the sounds you make while fucking, from the moans to the dirty talk are all learned and not actually natural. While she accepted that some physical reaction is of course innate, she believed that the majority of the things people say or do is based on subconscious emulation of porn stars and isn’t so much a biological of your own body as it is an attempt to entice and turn-on your partner.

I think the idea showed some merit, however I think its kind of a simplification. Everything I’ve learned about science from watching Mythbusters has taught me that before I can really understand the science of an event I have to break it down and go small scale. So, let’s take sex out of the equation for a moment and examine a simpler response to stimuli. Raise your right foot off the ground about 18-24 inches, position it directly over left foot and swiftly and decisively stomp down as hard as you can. I would submit that in all likelihood upon contact between your feet you found yourself involuntarily screaming something to effect of “OW,” “OUCH,” or perhaps “MOTHERFUCKER!” Even if there was no one in your immediate vicinity, you probably made the same exclamation. So you aren’t really screaming for the benefit of a second party so much as involuntarily verbally expressing a response to stimuli agnostic to audience.

Now find an infant child. I wouldn’t use a newborn (we’re not savages here); any child from about 6 weeks to 18 months will probably do. Now provide a similar pain stimulus to the foot of the child (again, as we are not savages, it is not necessary to stomp from the full 18 inches, 6-8 should do nicely). I surmise, that the child will have a similar verbal response to pain, however the response will likely come in the form of an unintelligible scream of some sort.

What we can learn from these experiments is that not only is the human response to pain innate, but the specific expressions used to convey that pain are learned. The infant does not know the words ow, ouch or motherfucker yet expresses pain verbally nonetheless. The adult on the other hand uses those terms regardless of audience. I therefore postulate that even though expressive terms to intense physical stimuli are learned, their use is involuntary to a large extent nonetheless.

Now leaving our small scale experiment we can again turn to the full scale problem of sex. I’d argue that while Sarah is right, and a large part of the sexual act, from lingerie, mood setting and makeup to positioning, foreplay and movement and even to verbalizations is designed to entice the other partner, and while I will also accept that a large portion of it is learned, the degree to which it is internalized is so severe that it is effectively indistinguishable from any other sexual response that is written into our genetic code. Yelling out a nice heavy “ohmigodohmigodohmigodimgonnacum!!!” is just as instinctive as contractions of the vaginal walls or penis.

Obviously, much like physical orgasmic response varies from individual ro individual, verbal response will vary as well. And again, much like physical actions during the sex act are intentionally performed (I don’t think there’s a genetic marker that tells someone to bite down on their partner’s neck and shove an 18 inch vibrator up their ass at “just the right time”), some verbal responses are of course done intentionally and deliberately for the benefit of the second party (or perhaps third party observers). I don’t dispute that. However, I don’t think the responses can be simplified to the point that we can consider it a performance per se.

So anyway, like always, I want to know what you think. So give me your thoughts. Or give us your thoughts I should say. As I know Sarah is quite curious to hear what people think too. I originally promised her that I’d post this rant a month ago when we first had the conversation. It’s quite possible that I misrepresented her opinions through the haze of memory somewhere here as well. She’s welcome to correct me, and hopefully she’ll respond to your comments as well with her thoughts as I will.

In the interest of science, I am willing to explore this further. As such, I’d like to have say, 20 female subjects, 10 of whom are porn fans, 10 of whom have never seen any, volunteer to have sex with me on video tape so that we can examine the results and present the findings in a followup journal article. The world is counting on us people. In the meantime, I’d just love to hear what people think.

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53 comments for “on sex as performance art and science!!!

  1. mav
    November 13, 2007 at 12:56 pm

    umm, yes, she is. Thanks. But I was kinda hoping on some comments to the actual content of the post.

  2. November 13, 2007 at 1:34 pm

    I like your arguments – indeed, some responses are probably inate.

    What journal are you thinking about? You might want to add in something more sciencey for an IV or moderator than simple porn watching. How about ovulation? Then E&HB might publish it. Hell, they published this:
    http://www.unm.edu/%7Egfmiller/cycle_effects_on_tips.pdf

    1. mav
      November 13, 2007 at 2:46 pm

      hehehe….. thanks. I like when my random musings convert to real science.

      As for that journal article, that’s great. I so miss academia. I really really really wish I could be in grad school. (here’s the part where chimes in and tells me I should be. — hi Meron)

      I would have liked to have seen that study done with just regular waitresses. I bet ovulation plays a part in tips there as well.

      1. November 13, 2007 at 4:05 pm

        Get thee to school young man!

        1. mav
          November 13, 2007 at 4:08 pm

          find me a benefactor.

          1. November 13, 2007 at 4:36 pm

            umm, grad school pays YOU!

          2. mav
            November 13, 2007 at 5:42 pm

            not necessarily. It depends on what you’re studying. And in any case, grad school doesn’t pay me enough to both pay off my back debt and live comfortably. So until things change, no grad school for me.

            🙁

      2. November 13, 2007 at 4:36 pm

        actually, I’m working on an extensive experimental study on a related phenomena right now 🙂 Yay life!

        1. mav
          November 13, 2007 at 5:44 pm

          cool… I’d love to read it. Also… Whatever happened to the results of that survey you posted in your journal a while back. You promised me I’d be able to read them when they were done.

          1. November 13, 2007 at 7:19 pm

            Yeah, they’re not published yet 😛 Mainly because hardly any men or old people have taken it. we have 155 subjects, but the median age is 21.

            I’ll definitely let you know!

          2. mav
            November 13, 2007 at 7:37 pm

            cool… don’t forget. I look forward to it.

  3. November 13, 2007 at 2:21 pm

    And what does Sarah think about that offer of you having sex with 20 women? haha

    I do agree that responding to a stimulus is instinct… actually it’s hot-wired in your nerves, unless you’re one of those scary people that truly does not have the nerves to feel pain… but I digress. So probably the moans, and the heavy breathing, and all that is instinct and natural. The words we use, the phrases we say (“dirty talk”), and yes, things like biting our partner’s neck or where we put our hands when… those are all learned, and not so much performing for the other person, but making sure that they are getting a full pleasurable experience.

    1. November 13, 2007 at 2:22 pm

      Also, congrats on making your Hollywood debut!!

      1. mav
        November 13, 2007 at 3:05 pm

        Thank you. Sarah and I talked about dressing up and taking a limo to the movie theater to see it when it comes out and just confusing the hell out of people. But fuck them, we’re in the movie, right? Even if you might miss us even without blinking. We’re in there, dammit.

        1. November 14, 2007 at 12:20 pm

          hahahah I think that’s a great idea

    2. mav
      November 13, 2007 at 2:58 pm

      I imagine that Sarah doesn’t care in the slightest. Stephanie on the other hand might be a little more upset. Of course, its in the name of science. Clearly she can make that sacrifice for the greater good of humanity.

      Well, I think that’s what she meant by performing, really. Making sure they enjoy themselves. That said, I’d still argue that a large portion of that is automatic and instinctive even though its learned. English is learned, and I don’t “try to speak english” I just kinda do it at this point.

      1. November 14, 2007 at 12:20 pm

        This is true. Speaking a language is hard-wired into you before birth, which language you speak is learned. I think we could find tons of examples 🙂

  4. November 13, 2007 at 2:28 pm

    This is why I stopped doing science.

    People just stare at my boobs and refuse to take me seriously.

    Ok, let see… the matter at hand. I think you did a pretty good job of representing what I think on the subject. However, let me delve into your thoughts a bit.

    Surely, during sex (good sex anyway) there is going to be some sort of physical responce. Just getting hard or wet or turned on is a biological responce and I certainly don’t think I have any control over these things.

    It isn’t so much that you DO react to the stimili of sex – its HOW you do it. In your foot smashing example, for instance, the older person will yell out some conditioned responce. Do you think its natural to yell “ouch” or “motherfucker”? No. If we spoke Russian, we would not yell those things, but rather, something in Russian. Its a cultural construction. Yet both babies (the american one and the russian one) would probably make the SAME unintelligible scream of some sort.

    To your postulation: Yes, to some extent, we are “performing” this yelling reaction to no one. But *I* postustulate its only because to react that way is conditioned, much like sex. You didn’t start yelling Ouch until you realized it made your mother come running to see if you were ok. Or until you realized it made your friends realize you were seriously hurt so they stopped fighting you, or whatever. You do it so often with people around that it BECOMES the real responce, but only after being conditioned to be so.

    To bring this back to sex, consider masturbation: generally most of us started with it instead of sex. And when you first started, did you make all sorts of sexy noises and moans? Did you talk dirty to yourself? Probably not. What would be the point? You know it feels good.

    okay, then you start having sex. You have sex for a while, and you get the pattern down. Suddenly, you’re trained a different way, because you’re used to performing for your partner. Go back to maturbation. Is it different? Do you find yourself gasping and moaning, even though no one is around? probably, because you associate that with how you’re supposed to act during any sexual experience. (maybe this point is more valid for the women, because guys don’t do too much gasping or moaning in my experience, but you get the idea…)

    1. mav
      November 13, 2007 at 3:14 pm

      Re: This is why I stopped doing science.

      Oh hush now, I take your boobs very seriously! 😛

      see, I think we’re on the same page there. I actually thought about rolling in other languages to the rant (I was going to use Spanish), but ended up removing that part because it was getting long and I didn’t know if it added anything. But I agree. The other culture has their own conditioned response: “Oh my god|” “¡Dios mi!” “мой бог” but I’d argue that the fact that they do it without thinking removes the performance aspect from it. Sure its learned, or conditioned, but I don’t think its any less natural.

      To look at it another way, if you’re having sex and you specifically hamper your conditioned responses (can’t yell, my parents are in the other room) doesn’t that feel weird and unnatural?

      I guess we come down to a question of what is the definition of a performance?

      1. Anonymous
        November 14, 2007 at 7:13 am

        Re: This is why I stopped doing science.

        I just want to add a small note to your comment here…

        when I first was with my ex, he didn’t mind that I’m loud during sex (in fact he liked it). Later in the relationship (for reasons that are a whole different bundle of issues) he wanted me to be quieter. I taught myself to shut up, but you know what? The sex was never as good. Because I was always consciously fighting against my natural urge to moan or cry out.

        Now was the being quiet actaullly the problem? Or was it the self-consciousness it took to change it? I don’t know. I suspect it was a bit of both. But I sure hope I can figure out a way to be loud again with the next guy because yeah… quiet sex feels weird and unnatural to me.

        1. November 14, 2007 at 7:14 am

          Re: This is why I stopped doing science.

          and hey… I shoulda been logged in before I posted that comment. *sigh* that’s what I get for clearing out my cookies today.

          1. mav
            November 15, 2007 at 7:58 am

            Re: This is why I stopped doing science.

            that definitely points towards my end of the theory, I think. I certainly hope it gets better. 🙂

    2. November 14, 2007 at 6:04 pm

      i’m doing what your away message told me to do.

      OK. Seeing as there are already 45 comments, there’s a lot to respond to. First, I agree with what’s been said about sex being performance in regards to environment/appearance/etc. But the things I wanna focus on are related to the language/shouting/crying issue.

      1 – On the silent masturbation thing:
      Yes, chances are most of us did it silently, at least when we started out. It’s hard to remember now, being 22, what it felt like when I first started. I have some recollection of there being some heavy breathing which resulted in gasping, regardless of who may or may not have been with me at the time.

      But I think being silent is largely a cultural construct, more so than making noise. I think an accurate comparison would be talking to yourself. At first it’s like, isn’t talking to yourself for crazy people? But then you live alone for awhile, and become more comfortable with yourself, and suddenly you find yourself laughing loudly or making random comments even when no one else is around. I don’t know, maybe it’s not that common, but that’s what I do.

      I think in the same way, we suppressed our urges to make noise when we first started masturbating. I think it’s because doing it the first few times was awkward: we weren’t sure what to do, we were way outside our zone of comfort/knowledge, and we were probably terrified of being caught. When we gained more sexual experience/confidence, knew there was no one else around to catch us in the act, and were more comfortable with ourselves, we felt free to make more noise.

      Not that I’ve witnessed many females in heightened states of arousal first-hand, but my impression is that there are many different ways women express themselves during sex. We talk about cocks and pussies and fucking, we moan, we gasp, we scream, we hum, we say ohgodohgodohgod or yesyesyesyes, or any combination of those and other things. Whether these noises are original to us or taken from porn or sitcoms or whatever, those porn stars still had to come up with that reaction somehow. So we know there is a certain amount of variety to the ways we express our arousal. I think that this variety can be interpreted as evidence that we do these things mostly instinctually, not as an exaggerated performance.

      2 – On the ohmygodohmygodohmygod issue:
      Of course these words are not innate reactions, they’re learned words. But along the same lines, we seldom make loud grunting noises, and even when we need to scream to release frustration we choose to do so by screaming FUUUUUUUUUCK instead of AAAAAAUUUUGHGHGH.

      I was robbed at gunpoint almost two years ago (this story is relevant, I promise). Two guys came down the street, just walking or whatever, then all of a sudden one of them was pointing the barrel of a gun at me, inches from my face. What did I do for that second when I went on autopilot? I screamed “oh my god” in a really terrified voice, and ducked down and sideways (you know, away from the scary bullets). I would say that was definitely not a performance, but a visceral reaction; and even then I used words instead of just blarg!ing.

      So, I think that making noises and “dirty talking” during sex are natural/not performances in the same way that I said “oh my god” without even thinking about it when my life was threatened.

      Ummm I think that’s all I have to say for now. This is a great topic though!

      1. November 14, 2007 at 6:05 pm

        Re: i’m doing what your away message told me to do.

        tl;dr? don’t blame you.

        wow sry, that was way longer than i thought it was.

      2. mav
        November 15, 2007 at 8:04 am

        Re: i’m doing what your away message told me to do.

        Thank you for dropping by. I am assuming you followed Sarah here.

        Anyway, I’m wondering, if you think that “dirty talking” comes naturally with comfort, where do you think its learned in the first place. Why is oh my god such a common expression, in pain or pleasure for that matter?

        1. November 16, 2007 at 5:05 am

          Re: i’m doing what your away message told me to do.

          Yes, I did follow Sarah here. I’m Jen.

          I think the dirty talk thing comes from the fact that in our puritan-founded society, sex is looked on as “dirty.”

          I think using dirty words makes us feel excited because a) we don’t hear them very often so they hold more meaning, b) dirty words + dirty deed = lots of the good kind of dirty, c) doing dirty things feels exciting/dangerous. I think someone who uses words like cock and pussy all the time, and doesn’t have even the slightest internal twitch when hearing/saying them, probably wouldn’t be as turned on if s/he or his/her partner used them during sex.

          I don’t know what the hell’s up the the God thing. If I were a 16th-18th century philosopher, I would say this is proof God exists. But I’m not, so I just say “who knows?”

          1. mav
            November 19, 2007 at 6:33 am

            Re: i’m doing what your away message told me to do.

            i think that’s a very real possibility. But I don’t know that I’d call it performing even then. It’s just trying to enhance the experience. If sex is about having fun, then I don’t think you’re performing with dirty talk any more than you are with say foreplay. It’s just part of the experience.

  5. mav
    November 13, 2007 at 2:35 pm

    Re: TL;DR

    Having ADD to the point where you aren’t even interested in reading about sex? Wow… That’s a problem that doesn’t even exist in my world view.

    And I do all sorts of stuff with good looking young women. It’s one of the the few really nice things about being me.

  6. November 13, 2007 at 2:54 pm

    I don’t think that the claims that “moaning is innate” and “moaning is a performance” are incompatible. Let’s go back to the pain example. Yes: the baby cries when in pain. So it’s innate. But *why* does the baby cry? Crying doesn’t *do* anything. It’s a method of communication — a performance, if you will, signally to others nearby that something is wrong. Now, it happens that the “learning process” that causes us to cry happens over generations and is encoded in our genes, but it’s still a learning process and it’s still a performance act. It’s quite possible that this is also the case with sex noises: over many generations, communicating pleasure has translated into more babies, so our bodies have “learned” to do it.

    1. mav
      November 13, 2007 at 3:35 pm

      Hmmm… interesting. I only briefly considered a truly genetic argument when writing this and quickly abandoned it, but I think maybe you have some merit there.

      So are you essentially arguing that moaning as a purpose is to entice the partner and so became genetically encoded, as is the case with the female bosom mimicking the female buttock1? Now, does that mean that the male innately finds the moaning sounds pleasurable, or is he conditioned in a similar way. What genetic advantage is there to being loud in bed? Is it purely that communication is advisable to the lack thereof, or is there more to it than that?

      1: Morris, Desmond Human Animal, The. BBC Pubns, 1994

      1. November 13, 2007 at 5:49 pm

        The problem, of course, with these evolutionary psychology arguments is that they are always “just-so” stories. There’s no way to really prove that moaning would be advantageous. All we can really say is that it’s plausible. E.g.,

        http://slate.com/blogs/blogs/xxfactor/archive/2007/11/12/evolutionary-psychology-strikes-again.aspx

        1. mav
          November 13, 2007 at 6:09 pm

          absolutely. In fact, when I came across the sexiness == infertility argument a couple of days ago, I had the exact same reaction as the guy who wrote the slate article. That’s why as silly as I make my arguments here, I always try to make the experiments at least semi-feasible (the control group of porn watching and non porn watching women. The baby with no knowledge of language).

          But yeah, observational data is always harder to defend than controlled experimental data. It’s always the problem in anthropology and LCS and the like. In fact, there are lots of people who dispute Desmond Morris (the guy I cited in my earlier response to you) based on the fact that most of his theories are observational and unprovable.

    2. November 13, 2007 at 4:38 pm

      this reminds me about the theory of the function of emotions – we have emotions in order to communicate danger or possible conflict to others. Behaviors and emotions are therefore adaptive, because they increase the fitness of our population.

      Whee!

      1. mav
        November 13, 2007 at 5:46 pm

        makes sense to me.

        Can you imagine how much harder kids would study in school if all science was about sex? I really should be a teacher.

  7. November 13, 2007 at 4:29 pm

    I had never seen any video porn for probably 2 years after I first had sex, and I had a tendency to be loud (which I could suppress on purpose) back in my new-to-sex days. If I recall correctly, there was moaning and screaming and “ohmygodohmygodohmygod”s.

    I found over time that I was really really into dirty talk, but that definitely didn’t come from porn. In fact, I think I *still* haven’t seen any porn that has the sort of dirty talk that I like. Or at least all of that that I’ve seen it’s seemed really forced and unsexy. I probably picked it up from sexual partners. I also like written porn, which contains more dirty talk, so I probably got some of it from there.

    I like your speculation on verbal expression of pain. I think it might be more directly applicable to sex noises than you drew it in your post. I believe in much the same way that “ow” and “ouch” and “motherfucker” are learned expressions of pain, one might have learned expressions of pleasure, surprise, intensity, etc. that will come out during sex whether or not one has seen porn or knows that those are “what people do” during sex.

    1. mav
      November 13, 2007 at 6:00 pm

      well, in actuality, I don’t think its JUST porn we learn from. I’m guessing that while you might not have seen porn first, you weren’t completely ignorant to the concepts and depictions of sex, be it from soap operas, love scenes in movies, or discussions with friends, I imagine you had some idea during those first “ohmygodohmygodohmygod”s that that was a natural response and not something that only happened to you.

      I kind of wonder what would happen if someone who had no expectations of sex had it for the first time. Despite my offer to sleep with 20 different women above, I don’t think that’s really a valid experiment, the 10 women in the experimental group can’t simply be non-porn fans, they’d have to be virgins, completely unaware of the cultural memes associated with sex, like Brooke Shields in the Blue Lagoon. If an experiment were designed like that, wherein two people are raised on a secluded island with no sexual influence whatsoever until the day where they both tripped and fell on top of each other and penis accidentally entered vagina and “oh look, that feels good” what would the verbal responses be?

      I think your extrapolation of my pain response analogy is what I was getting to. “Oh my god” as an expression of joy is probably learned early on through casual conversation and then employed during orgasm as an involuntary means of communication.

      So here’s an interesting study. Do people who use the term “oh my god” as an expression in day to day life, more frequently use it during orgasm. Do people who avoid the expression avoid it during orgasm? For that matter, is the extent to which one is talkative or quiet on a daily basis comparable to their behavior in the bedroom? Perhaps inversely proportional?

      Someone give me a grant, dammit.

      1. November 13, 2007 at 6:15 pm

        OK, this is a tangent from your original point, but I believe that two people raised in isolation and then put together postpubescently and who both had heterosexual inclinations wouldn’t need to trip and fall and accidentally have the penis go into the vagina. Humans have a little more instinct than *that*. I feel pretty confident that they would fool around on purpose and do it on purpose because it would seem like something that would feel good after the non-PIV fooling around.

        I’m sort of an interesting case. I first heard the word “orgasm” and looked it up in a dictionary my freshman year of college (though granted I *was* 14 at the time). Prior to that, I was aware of the mechanics of sex (ie penis goes in vagina, sperm comes out of penis) but was not actually aware that this was done for pleasure or that “orgasms” existed. (I had had them, and I thought it was an endorphine rush from physical exertion. After looking it up in the dictionary, I said, “Ooooh, *that’s* what that is*.) I was under the impression that people had sex either to have babies or specifically to make god angry. My mother wasn’t actually anti-birth-control, but this is what came across to me because she was SOOOOO embarassed about sex. She literally would not say the word “sex”. She said (and I am not making this up in the least) “do what you do to have a baby”. Once she accidentally revealed that she had seen my father’s ass, and she was so flustered and emberassed that she ran out of the room.

        Now, granted, I had 4 years of college and a little more exposure to normal views of sex before I had any. I also, however, had sex for the first time with a woman. And seriously, both of us knew we wanted to have sex with another woman, and we knew that women did it… but we were all, “But what exactly do women *do* together?” But you know, we figured it out pretty easily.

        While I’m not claiming any virginal-known-nothingness about sex at the time of my first experience, I feel pretty confident in saying I had less than average exposure to sexual expectations at the time of my first encounters.

        All that tangenting said, I pretty much agree with you, other than that you seem to have a belief in less instinctual sexual desire/response than I do.

        1. mav
          November 13, 2007 at 6:38 pm

          it’s not so much that I disagree. Quite the contrary, I’m pretty sure that no one taught me how to masturbate for instance. It’s just that at some age you work out the concept that touching certain parts of your body happens to feel really good.

          That said, the basic concept of sex just seems unintuitive to me. “I like you a lot, why don’t I shove my bathroom area up your bathroom area.” Oral and anal sex even more so. That said, I guess if we like each other, and we’ve already determined that rubbing our own genitals is pleasurable, on our own, then mutual masturbation makes sense. “Hey, let me show you how much I like you by rubbing your genitals for you.” I guess its not too much of a reach to say “ok, if you like it so much when I use my hand on you, what will you think when I lick you?” And I guess if you’ve gotten there, you might eventually get to the “I bet it’ll feel really good if we rub our naughty bits together” point. It just seems like a reach to me is all.

          That said, obviously animals of all levels of complexity seem to work the concept out on their own, so clearly there is some instinct built in there.

          Still, even given your sexual education, I have to figure you didn’t think to yourself “why am I rapidly taking the lords name in vain at this very moment?” It came across as natural, right?

          1. November 13, 2007 at 10:33 pm

            Hmm, yeah, see, it seems much more intuitive to me. And oral sex seems more intuitive than intercourse to me somehow. But I’m seriously touchy feely. I like you? I touch you. I sit on you, hug you, rub your head, put my arm around you, etc. etc. For someone very touchy feely, it seems like rubbing your junk or rubbing my junk on your junk would be extremely intuitive if there’s sexual attraction. And sexual attraction is pretty innate for most people.

            I had of course abandoned my religious upbringing years before teh sexing it up, but yes, it seemed intuitive I’m sure. (You know, it’s been a while now.) I think I probably had some idea that people screamed “oh my god” and similar things while having sex. Now I’m remembering thinking it was funny when I did it because it seemed like an unlikely thing to do, but it was something people did. However, I have strong suspicions that this is a false memory, as I didn’t remember it when I was writing about this topic earlier.

          2. mav
            November 14, 2007 at 11:50 pm

            yeah, that’s the hard part of it. Differentiating between what you remember about your earlier sexual days vs. what you only think you remember. Hence my offer to have sex with people not familiar with the study.

    2. November 13, 2007 at 6:47 pm

      Okay, now I’m curious.

      1. mav
        November 13, 2007 at 7:00 pm

        well, see, Jameel… when a man and a woman love each other very much, they embrace in a special kind of hug…

        1. November 13, 2007 at 7:25 pm

          I am going to murder you to death.

          1. mav
            November 13, 2007 at 7:36 pm

            does anyone else interpret ‘s constant aggression towards me as a defensive mechanism against his latent homosexual crush? I mean, not that there’s anything wrong with that. i do have a mighty fine ass and all…

          2. November 13, 2007 at 7:39 pm

            I interpret it as being about to slap you so hard that I’ll have to apologize to your mother.

            Sorry in advance, Lynn.

          3. mav
            November 13, 2007 at 7:40 pm

            see… there it is again…

          4. November 13, 2007 at 10:34 pm

            I figured it was just sweet-talkin’.

          5. mav
            November 14, 2007 at 6:36 am

            oh good… I was pretty sure it wasn’t just me.

  8. November 13, 2007 at 10:47 pm

    I think that to truly solve this mystery, you need to involve Kari for the best Mythbusters EVER.

    1. mav
      November 14, 2007 at 6:36 am

      see, I’m pretty sure I’d place her in the “has seen porn” camp

  9. November 15, 2007 at 3:31 pm

    For what it’s worth, I used to not shout if I, say, stubbed my toe and no one else was there. In fact, I was almost totally silent if no other people were present. This is no longer true, which I ascribe to a decreased amount of mental processing power available that has caused this to become semi-instinctive.

    I do agree with the general idea that something should only be called a performance if at the time that it’s done, the person doing it intends to put on a show. Pre-encoded responses shouldn’t count, so my reaction to stubbing my toe has changed from a performance to not-a-performance.

    1. mav
      November 16, 2007 at 12:35 am

      so that translates to the theory that you might make no sounds during sex at all until you learn that you’re “supposed to” and then it would be automatic?

      1. November 16, 2007 at 2:36 pm

        Well, yes, but more to the point it might still not be automatic even after you learn you’re “supposed to” (meaning expected to from a societal standpoint) until/unless you believe you’re personally “supposed to”. Though I guess this might be fairly irrelevant as applied to sex with a partner, but maybe more relevant to masturbation.

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